Matthews and Doucheborough go at it on health care

...and my doesn't Joe get pissed when challenged to say "I want health care for every working American".

Joe goes on and on about how we shouldn't just write a check (which I agree with, and he misses Chris' point repeatedly) and rips the Bush administration for endlessly writing checks.

However, there are 2 problems with this: 1) he's doing it hawk his book and 2) it's a lie.

"Joe likes to say that he's opposed to the Bush administration spending, but he supported almost every individual measure along the way. He supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq, he supported the formation of DHS, he supported $1 trillion in tax cuts for the super rich, and, most importantly, he supported the reelection of George W. Bush in 2004." - Bob Cesca

Chris Matthews argues that Mika was also "caught up in all this pussyfooting." His larger point is that "we look at the, we ask the questions and we get it done."

"This kind of argument has been used to defeat health care since Harry Truman". The same tactics are being employed now to defeat health care that were used 40 years ago to try to kill Medicare, that were used against Social Security.

"If you're value judgment is that 'We're gonna find a way to do this and we're going to overcome the obstacles', that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is, 'Let's find as many obstacles that we can celebrate so we can have an excuse not to do it'."

"The right wing will fight any war and not look at the costs because they want to fight the war." Matthews says health care for every working American is a "value judgment", do we want it or do we not?